um, and so they're not likely to be able to contribute enough in taxes to cover what they would be using in the way of social services. um, and we don't have -- we're thinking, you know, tens of billions of dollars a year additional, um, if we were to legalize the entire population, um, as has been proposed. >> thank you. yield back. >> thank you. ms. vaughn, i was reading your testimony, and it says that i.c.e., mr. crane's agency, had arrested 27,600 gang members in the past eight years? does that sound about right to you, mr. crane? >> that might be what they have stats on, but i would say that it's probably far higher than that. we have all kinds of folks that we encounter in jails and prisons, and they don't make any bones about gang -- >> so we have 11.5 million immigrants and more than 27,000 of them have been arrested for being gang members? >> yeah. not all of them are illegal immigrants. some of them are people that we've given green cards too, but they're still removable. some of them have temporary protected status, for example. >> okay. >> it is -- >> noncitizens. >> yes. >>